The Giants remain in contact with the Rays about two well-known trade targets, David Price and Ben Zobrist. According to a source with knowledge of the discussions, the Rays are looking for quite the haul. In return for either Price or Zobrist, the Rays want four of the Giants’ top prospects, headlined by Kyle Crick and Andrew Susac.
On the surface, there are no plausible reasons why Tampa Bay would retreat from these demands before the July 31 non-waiver trade deadline. Several teams are interested in both Price (his last two starts: 16 innings, no runs, nine hits, one walk, 14 strikeouts) and Zobrist (who’s played at least eight games this season at second base, shortstop, right field and left field). Plus, the Rays probably feel less like a “seller” these days after winning 15 of their last 19 games.
If the Giants relent and a deal gets done, it would equate to chopping the top off their farm system. However, the Giants are preparing for a difficult pennant race. They’d love to add one of the best left-handed starters in baseball, not just to solidify their rotation but to keep him away from another National League contender.
Zobrist isn’t as big of a name, but he’s a top prize just the same. He’s versatile and productive; he makes financial sense for the Giants, thanks to a $7.5 million TEAM option for next season that’s attached to a relatively cheap $500,000 buyout; the market for players like Zobrist is active — both the A’s and Blue Jays are interested in an upgrade at second base.
Brian Sabean has made it known several times that there are no “untouchables” in the farm system, which wasn’t necessarily a shocking revelation. Even Crick isn’t breaking the top 25 on any MLB prospect lists, and he’s the Giants’ top guy.
That the Giants are at least considering a big splash type of a deal is intriguing, but it’s also interesting to learn which players the Rays are targeting. The folks in Tampa Bay have gained a reputation for stockpiling young talent, and to see that they like Crick and Susac (although not enough to pry away Price or Zobrist without other prospects getting added to the deal) shows at the very least that the Giants have two guys in their organization with some value.
David Price won't fit the payroll so it likely won't happen but the Giants will do a couple of small moves like to get Kyle Kendrick.
Somehow Billy Beane would do this trade, 4 players for Price or Zobrist, but he would also get back some A Ball/40th round draft pick type player from Tampa Bay as a throw in that would turn into Josh Donaldson or an All-Star closer.
don't trade our farm system. Young arms are hard to come by. It takes years to restore your farm system. Sure it would be nice to have Price and Zobrist but to kill your farm system... no way. I like Panik at second base. I believe the team we have now can win it. Price will not sign with the Giants and the cost is to great for us .I don't like rent people. Look around more.
CRAZY....Asking for 4 prospects that includeCrick, and Susac for Zobrist. Obviously they think the Giants are as dumb and desperate as the dodgers. They need to take that trade bait down south.
There is few sellers and a lot of buyers. Which makes it hard to get top trade targets because of the steep prices there wanting in return. Its going to be tough for the Giants to fill there holes.
To make this as clear as possible ...
The Rays want Crick + Susac + two more prospects for David Price *OR* Ben Zobrist. This is not a situation where the Giants would be trading for both players at the same time.
The Giants won't do it because it will take too much from the farm system which they don't have much of at all. I think Brown and a prospect pitcher might get Zobrist but really the Giants are going after starting pitching and by the end of the day, it won't happen.
At this point there are questions about whether Crick is even going to be a starter in the Bigs, and truthfully there is not a 'Posey, Bum, or even a Belt' most likely in this group of farm products the Giants have. It would be better to have proven talent in a Zobrist and Price package, or even say a Giancarlo Stanton (just for example) than a cluster of these current minor leaguers, if the Giants want to solidify a solid run this year.
Outside of Panik (whom I like), a good guy, who had 1/3 of a season of good minor league ball, book ended by four poor years, and a poor debut in MLB, the positions the Giants need to fill (3B perhaps, 2B, LF) don't exist in their system, and will have to be filled by free agents. Clearly the Giants would not be trying to trade for 2B now if they thought Panik was going to help them in the near future.
Sabean needs to make a better trade when using his minor leaguers, and in this case not be snake bit by the Wheeler deal. Don't go rent a guy in Beltran that doesn't like your City, or being a star, for a top flight pitching prospect. Don't trade for a known jackass like Pierzinski, and then have it work out predictably. Price is a risk...he's not signed, but he is an ace. Sabean once traded beloved Matt Williams for journeyman Jeff Kent, and company...bold, controversial, brilliant.
In hindsight the Wheeler trade was bad, but Wheeler is struggling as a starter and can't get past the 6th inning. Bad, but so far on hindsight not quite as bad for what was lost, but rather for the questionable player that the Giants obtained. The Giants are a big market club, and true the owners want to line their pockets, but this is a first place team. Its good to have a budget, and not spend like the Yankees or Dodgers, just don't tell me you'd rather hang on to middling, tepidly regarded minor leaguers, than grab stars when you can afford them in a tight playoff race, AND need those position filled.
They were higher on wheeler an they traded him for a rental. And they also traded Joseph there high prospect catcher but at least it wasnt for a rental. If it is true that Tampa Bay is interested in the Giants prospects an willing to deal i think Sabean will pull the trigger but i think he is trying to get Zobrist in the deal. With Cains injury an the up an down of the other starters it should get done if he wants to make another run at it... Crick , Susac, Brown, Stratton, and a mid to low prospect be enough to get both of them?? I like Panik hopefully deal gets done without him. If Giants cant get it done i just hope the Dodgers dont snag them.
Seriously, is Crick even all that? I get that he's only 21, but the thing that jumps out at me is > 5 BB/9 at every level. Folks (ie, callers) dare compare him to Bumgarner, but Bumgarner never had more than 2.5 BB/9 coming up through the minors. So far, Crick isn't MadBum, he's Estes or Oritz, and is thus expendable.
I think they should do it. The players would be in the AL they give up. I never like the idea of trading top prospects or any top of the line players to someone in the same league or division. They will never have to face these players at least rarely and they keep him away from LA and St. Louis.
Make that trade right now! Prospects are just potential, who can get sidetracked by injury, or become 4A type players, or just fizzle out altogether. Price and Zobrist would be a huge upgrade
Go get Price!!! That rotation would be nasty!! Plus Cain can take his time coming back. Who would you rather have pitching Price or Petit?
Screw it our farm system won't give the Giants a future signing Price will give us a HUGE chance at another WS title meaning more money and more FA wanting to move to SF to play for them. The amazing weather and ball park is just a bonus, but let's face it as it stands out farm system gives us no winning future. We can make deals for minor league players if the Giants are ever in a huge hole the next couple of years...
Sabean go ahead and pull the trigger on this trade make it happen we need a pitcher like price and a great utility player like zobrist we'll worth the sacrifice
@EXPLICIT Its easy to understand why. Lets look at just the AL.
Of the 15 teams in the AL, you could say that 6 teams are out of the playoff race & are sellers, including Tampa Bay. That leaves 9 AL teams in the playoff race & are buyers. When there are more buyers than sellers, its a sellers market and there will be a high asking price for their players.
Look at Huston Street. The angels had to give up 4players for him.
@rtruong903 You could include Martin Agosta and Joe Panik as the other two prospects. Zorbist would fill the 2nd base spot and so there is no need for Joe Panik on the team.
@Jsanc82 its worth the sacrifice when the giants are on the field celebrating another world series.
@curranmccauley You would trade Posey for those 2 ?
Asrubal... No way! The only 3 that should be on the Giants radar for offense should be Murphy, Zobrist, or Utley. Other than that of trade 4 prospects for Price alone he has been pitching like a mad man and we can use another Madbum in our rotation esspecially when Timmy is pitching so well as well.. Think about it 1: Madbum 2: Price 3:Hudson 4: Lincecum 5:Cain and put Ryan in the pen. Does that lineup put chills down your spine when you see it?!?!
@Giants55 Zobrist has one attribute that really makes him a good grab: He's clutch. He is proven to hit well in big at bats. Add that to his versatility, and solid defense, and he would be a worthy Giant pickup. Zobrist is better than Carbrera, or Murphy, who plays horrible defense, and has a bad OBP.
If the Giants want both, they will have to give up 4 players. If Price were signed beyond this year it might be a no brainer w Cain shelved.
@Nick Danger Get Price & Zorbrist now since the Rays are willing to trade them. Get them now before The Dodgers. If we don't get them now we might not in the race unless the Dodgers collapse completely. We need to act quickly; especially Price and the way we have no hitters at second now either by injury or average wise, now would be the time to act. GO GIANTS!!
@Eric it says "or" not "and". If its BOTH Price and Zobrist, I'd EASILY make that trade. But it seems like they are asking for all that for one of Price or Zobrist
Easy to say " pull the trigger" when there's familiar commodity vs. those who are farm-system virtual unknowns to the average fan. If you're 70 years old, the future is always "now." Proceed with some caution, I say.
@Giants55 I noticed that, but have read that the Giants are trying to get both, and it would take at least the top 4 Giants farm prospects....maybe more. The unfortunate thing is that normally Zobrist would not be commanding a huge return by himself, and the players would mostly be for Price. However, there are basically no hitters available on the market, and Zobrist may be one of the better ones, having nothing to do with his versatility. I have MLB, and watch Mets games....we don't want Murphy.
I would trade Crick, Susac, Edwin Escobar, Arroyo, and Panik for both, no problem. Most of those players are redundant (SS, catcher, pitcher) except Panik, but I'd want keep Price long term for that type of deal. That's a lot of money tied up in Bum, Price, Cain and Lincecum theoretically, The Giants have dough from two WS runs, are still selling out, and will have more dead money coming off the books next season.
The chemistry less Dodgers are wobbling, but ready to spend, with a deep farm system. Giants better hop on it if they have a chance to do the 2 player deal. The Rays want to get something for Price, especially if he walks and they are going nowhere.