Their 2011 power potential is unlike anything the San Francisco Giants have looked forward to since their 3-4-5 went by the names of Jeff Kent, Barry Bonds and Ellis Burks. Brandon Belt is already a good enough hitter to be an above average first baseman or corner outfielder. Now the Giants have to decide if they’re ready to part with a couple 1B/OF guys who in some cases are much older and bring home much more bacon.
I was pretty sure up until this week that the Giants were going to play it safe with Belt, who’s a triple away from the cycle against the White Sox as I write this. Then, through Tim Kawakami, Brian Sabean sent a warning shot to guys like Aaron Rowand, Travis Ishikawa, Nate Schierholtz and anybody else hoping to grab one of the remaining spots on the bench.
-Q: So has Belt exceeded expectations this spring?
-SABEAN: I think he’s surprised all of us. He started off slow, got locked in, got a little bit funky and then came back out of it.
He’s played extremely well at first. And at the plate, he doesn’t look like he’s overmatched. Started enough games that we’ve seen him against, quote, major-league pitching.
To compare his talent to the players down here in the Cactus League, he’s certainly got everybody talking inside and outside the organization as a guy who looks like he could be ready.
So much for the Buster Posey treatment, perhaps. Since he doesn’t cause Sabean to have the same hesitations caused by Posey’s supposed inexperience behind the plate, service time may not be an issue. And that’s the right move. If keeping Belt on the team from the very beginning would increase the Giants’ wins from 92 to 94 or 95, don’t you have to do that? The Giants would certainly recoup any of the extra money they’d spend on Belt in a few years if they’re a World Series contender up until then and maybe beyond.
Say the Giants decide Belt needs to be on the team and bat seventh. It seems like a given that the 25-man will include 12 pitchers, so which position players would make the squad and who would be let go?
Buster Posey, Eli Whiteside, Aubrey Huff, Freddy Sanchez, Miguel Tejada, Pablo Sandoval, Mike Fontenot, Mark DeRosa, Andres Torres and Cody Ross would clearly be included in any roster permutations, which along with Belt adds up to 11 position players. So two spots are available for Pat Burrell, Aaron Rowand, Nate Schierholtz, Travis Ishikawa, Emmanuel Burriss, Darren Ford and Ryan Rohlinger. We can remove Rohlinger, Ford and Burriss from the equation, especially since Sabean made a point to comment on Fontenot’s capable play at shortstop. It would be nice to have a speedy guy on the bench and/or a plus defender who can handle both middle infield spots, but those luxuries are lower on the list than dingers, knowing Sabean’s the one making the final decision.
So it’s Pat the Bat, Mr. Sunk Cost, JuggerNate and that dude with the goatee who drawed the walk that might have saved the Giants in the NLDS.
Pat Burrell
Pros: Proven power hitter; given tons of credit last season for preparing the Giants for the stressful world of postseason baseball; takes more pitches than the average Giant; hates the DH; leather fetishist.
Cons: Streakier than J.R. Smith (of the Nuggets, for the hoops-ignorant); probably should be in favor of the DH, considering his range.
Aaron Rowand
Pros: Salary makes him tough to release; experienced CF; gritty gamertude togetherness exuded 24/7.
Cons: Isn’t really interested in playing a corner outfield position; slipping defensively; .230/.281/.378 line last year.
Pros: Best OF arm on the team (by far); just turned 27; healthy after a major shoulder injury last year that he probably shouldn’t have played through; he’d be the 2nd-fastest Giant on the roster behind Torres; currently having the best Spring of the four players we’re comparing (.342/.375/.526 after going 3-for-5 today).
Cons: Decent minor league power hasn’t translated to the Majors.
Travis Ishikawa
Pros: Higher BB% than Rowand or Schierholtz; very good defensive 1B; can play a corner OF spot if necessary.
Cons: Became somewhat marginalized last year (only 173 PA in 2010); kind of slow considering his power numbers haven’t been that great; if Belt’s on the team, the need for a defensive replacement at 1B goes away.
If Belt does make the Opening Day roster, before the last two spots are filled the only left-handed bat on the bench is Fontenot (if Sandoval starts). Due to his speed, defensive skills and the fact he’s a lefty, one of these spots has to go to Schierholtz. Letting Schierholtz go to another team should also frighten the Giants, since the potential of a healthy Schierholtz going somewhere else and putting up a 15/15 season with great defense is a distinct possibility in a full-time role.
That pretty much means bye-bye Ishikawa, which leaves the Giants with the question of which veteran right-handed outfielder to carry. Rowand’s a better fielder, but is he better enough to make that much of a difference? At this point either Ross or Schierholtz would probably be just as good in CF and certainly would be superior in RF or LF. Then there’s the cash involved, with Burrell only slated to make $1MM and Rowand earning somewhere between $20MM and $90BZ (bazillion) in the next two years.
To those wondering if the Giants can trade Rowand to another team, here’s the question: even if the Giants were offering to pick up all but $4MM or so of Rowand’s remaining salary, if you were an opposing team and knew the Giants were trying to pawn off spare outfielders, wouldn’t you ask for Schierholtz? Rowand is a below average player, and he will be for the rest of his career regardless of how many times he changes his awkward batting stance.
Going back to Burrell vs. Rowand, I’d make the decision based on who you’d want coming up to the plate in the late innings as a pinch hitter. The answer to that is clearly Burrell, but will the Giants ask that question? They may have to if they decide Belt’s ready for a starting role in April, which looks increasingly likely.

















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I love me some Travis Ishikawa and I sure felt comfortable with him coming up to the plate as a pinch hitter, but our argument is very sound and compelling. It would be sad to see him go. As for the outfielders…maybe we can get Rowand to agree to a buy out ala Troy Murphy? Joking of course as baseball players never do this…not sure if they are even allowed. But dude is the least productive and the greatest liability to flail at sliders outside and in the dirt. If he stays on the team, he costs a lot and hurts us offensively. If he is off the team, he costs a lot and doesn’t hurt us. Dude has got to go.
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I don’t think you can be bought out unless you have an option in your contract.
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This is correct. In almost all cases, the only way to keep a player with a guaranteed contract off your active roster is to release him.
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The Giants could (emphasis on could) start Belt in the minors in case they really have a tough time deciding between Burrell and Rowand. Then they could just hold on to the hot hand. Although I am sure the Giants faithful would be howling for SSabean’s head if he went that route. But, realistically, I think it is time for Rowand to go. However Boch loves his vets so I wouldn’t be surprised (though I would be disappointed) to see Nate and Ishi go. But Nate has gotta have some trade value so if he goes I would expect it to be via a trade rather than DFA. Does Nate even have options left? Boy, thinking through this GM stuff is tougher than complaining about the GM over a beer and nachos….
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Nate doesn’t have any options left.
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“a major shoulder injury last year”
This is just not true. First of all if Nate said he injured his right shoulder on April 27th in the first inning against the Phillies. In the second inning he gunned down Howard and in the 9th he threw out Utley.
The following day he went 5 for 5 and hit 375/444/521/965 over the next 13 games covering 54 PA.
So please don’t use the shoulder as an excuse. If it was a “major shoulder injury” don’t you think the Giants would have put him on the DL? He certainly wouldn’t have gone 5 for 5 the next day and swung the bat just fine for the next 2 weeks.
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Sorry remove the “if” part. Nate definitely said he injured the shoulder in the 1st inning of the April 27th Phillies game.
Guns down 2 runners and goes 5 for 5 the next day…some injury
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Going on what he told me when I interviewed him a month ago. He was able to play with the injury but over time it got worse instead of better. Are you saying he was lying to make excuses for his offensive slide as the season wore on?
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Look at the evidence. We are talking about his right shoulder. He threw out 2 runners “AFTER” the injury occurred that very night. Went 5 for 5 the day “AFTER” the injury. And for the next 2 weeks hit as well as he did all season. Oh and his throwing was just fine the entire year.
Any more questions?
I’m sorry but the guy can’t hit MLB pitching. Not with those swing mechanics. And they haven’t changed in the 4 years he’s been with the club.
He looked exactly the same in 09 what was his excuse then?
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You can take pain meds to deal with your injury (and make 1 or 2 hard throws a game), but it’s certainly possible that your power numbers and overall swing can deteriorate over the season if you’re overcompensating for an injury.
We’re just going to have to disagree on this. I think the injury was one where he probably could gut it out but was afraid to since his spot in the lineup was tenuous at best. More to the point, in my dealings with him I have a hard time believing he’d lie about something like this.
If you’re so anti-Schierholtz, how about your idea on who they should keep instead? Would you rather keep Rowand, Ishikawa, or someone else? I never said Schierholtz was perfect, but I still think it makes more sense to see what he can do when he says he’s healthy than to watch Rowand do his thing and see if Ishikawa can be anything more than a lefty pinch hitter.
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If you have ever had a shoulder injury it can/does get worse with time…
As for the whole debate, Rowand has zero upside. No power anymore (ahem), not much speed, and his arm is mediocre. The best thing he has going for him is his route to balls. At least scheriholtz has some speed and a cannon for an arm.
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“Anti-Schierholtz” Not at all. I evaluate players on what I see. I have a serious problem with the way he swings the bat. And with those that see him through rose colored glasses.
Look at numbers. They are pathetic and doubly so for a corner outfielder.
Heck Mike Fontenot has a better career power numbers. There is a reason for those pathetic numbers and it has ZERO to do with some shoulder injury.
Again look at his swing from ’09 it’s exactly the same as it was in ’10 and remains the same today. It won’t hold up against MLB pitching for any significant length of time.
Look at his career numbers vs RHP 249/.295/.373/.668
The fact 75% of pitchers are right handed creates a problem.
Does that mean I prefer Rowand? Nope…Ish? Not really… My point is Nate’s no better and will be replaced soon enough.
There are younger more talented players on his heels and it’s only a matter of time until he too is gone.
I never worry about replacing marginal talent.
BTW if you get the chance ask Duane Kuiper what he thinks of Nate’s swing…not sure he’d come clean to a blogger. But if you don’t like what I think. You won’t like his view either.
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I love Kuip, but where would he get off talking about another player’s swing mechanics? Bunt mechanics or defensive footwork at 2nd base, sure. Swing mechanics?
I’m hardly saying Schierholtz’s offensive career has been a success at the Major League level. But he hit with power everywhere in the Minors. He has the ability to square up the ball, and I still think there’s a chance he can figure out how to stop hitting grounders to second base and start driving the ball all over the park like he has ever since he was at Chabot.
I’m just talking about the options available now. Sure, maybe Peguero or Brown will be ready in a couple years and out-perform Schierholtz. But at this point I’d take Nate over Ishikawa and Rowand without thinking twice.
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Rowand has zero upside. No power anymore (ahem)
Is that “(ahem)” about what I think it’s about?
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“I love Kuip, but where would he get off talking about another player’s swing mechanics?”
Oh I don’t know maybe because he’s been around the game going on 40 years now. He knows a good swing when he sees one. Moreover, he knows a bad one when he sees one.
It’s not rocket science. All it takes is a pair of eyes and a little knowledge of the science of hitting. Do you know why Nate hits those weak grounders and lazy flyballs?
I do. It’s because he doesn’t load his hips and opens too soon. Not a good combo. His upper body ends out over his front foot causing him to reach for pitches. It’s this simple: He has NO leverage.
In addition, his pitch recognition skills are horrible. It’s why he is off balance most of the time.
There are plenty of people that can tell you what a guys numbers are. I’m telling you the why.
Let’s face it he’s had 700 AB’s now so there is no sugar coating his problems anymore. If something major doesn’t change the results won’t either. And I’ll say it again. I don’t ever worry about replacing marginal talent.
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Maybe Kuip doesn’t like Nate because he went to San Ramon Valley instead of Monte Vista?
Totally kidding.
Listen, I think you have some valid points. I think when you’re talking about “marginal talent” (like the 25th man on a roster), it’s better to get a guy with some upside than hold onto a guy like Rowand who’s on the downside. You don’t think Schierholtz has upside, and that’s understandable considering I’ve seen the poor leverage you’re speaking of, which makes it that much more maddening when he really gets a hold of a pitch and drives it a long way. Something that, admittedly, hasn’t happened nearly enough in Schierholtz’s career thus far.
Anyway, although we disagree I appreciate you taking the time to state your case, especially since you didn’t resort to namecalling or any other silly blog-comment kind of behavior.
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