My friends and I were pretty thrilled to find out that tickets to the game between the 49ers and Seahawks were reasonably cheap. We checked prices on StubHub after Game 4 of the NLCS had already been scheduled for the same evening, which might explain why upper reserved seats were as cheap as $45, but I wasn’t going to be one of the thousands who stayed home and wore out the “last” button on their remote controls. As BASG pointed out, that turned out to be a pretty good decision after all — no thanks to all the hooligans in attendance.
The Seahawks game was the second that I’ve attended this season, the other being the Sunday night game against Detroit. I sat in the north side upper deck during both games – above the jumbotron in Week 2; in the corner to the right of the big screen last night. Both experiences were extremely disconcerting.
Rich with history, devoid of tradition
My dad had season tickets to the 49ers when they stilled played in Kezar Stadium and he carried them over to The Stick when it was built. He had already suffered through the awful teams of the 1970s and experienced the magic of the ’80s by the time I was old enough to go to games. Some of my earliest memories include tailgating in the parking lot of Candlestick Point and sitting in UR 43 with him back when the Saints and Falcons were still in the NFC West and the 49ers dominated them every year.
We sat around a bunch of people that Raiders fans probably classified as “the wine and cheese” crowd. The people who had season tickets next to my dad were up there in age, not exactly standing or getting loud on third down, and often spent their afternoons quietly listening to Joe Starkey call the game on their walkmans. Nevertheless, they were respectful, knowledgeable, and always a pleasure to sit with.
Fans like them still show up at Candlestick, but in much smaller numbers than when I was a kid. The ratio of black J.T. O’Sullivan jerseys to scarlet Bill Walsh-style sweaters is staggering, and over the last few years I’ve seen more uncomfortable expressions on the faces of that older crowd than the smiles that I saw as a child. There were two lifers sitting in front of us last night – they frowned and shook their heads at the drunken fight that broke out (between two 49ers fans) a section over from us. They got up and left when a female fan a few seats down lit a cigarette and smoked it uninterrupted in the fourth quarter.
The trouble with liquor and violence
49ers fans are no longer allowed to criticize Raiders fans for their “gang mentality” or “violent image.” It occurred to me while walking out of the parking lot last night that Candlestick Park is now a more dangerous environment than the Oakland Coliseum. What with the 2011 preseason shootings (I was at that game; it felt like a bad acid trip) and the most recent stabbing, 49ers fans have no ground to stand on in that argument. The majority of this fan base – the one that shows up at the games, at least – have deteriorated into drunken miscreants with no filter and no self-control.
Some examples of poor fan behavior from last night:
– Three different fights occurred within three sections of where I was sitting. Two of them were 49ers fans fighting with each other, and one of those was a man fighting a woman.
– Pot smoke lingered for pretty much the entire game where I was sitting. Security was strong at halftime to keep people from smoking cigarettes in the breezeways, but nobody did a thing to stop people from smoking in the stands while the game was going on.
– A lot of fans stood and screamed while the 49ers were on offense, especially on 3rd down and when San Francisco was in the red zone. It sounded like the 49ers’ defense was in a goal line stand when Alex Smith faced third down – he ended up throwing a pick in the end zone.
– Fans gathering in unison to start a “F- the Sea-Hawks” chant, uncensored and unadulterated in the fourth quarter.
– The word “unsafe” would fail to characterize the feeling that I had walking from the stadium to my car. I’ve felt more secure walking through the Tenderloin, and I wasn’t wearing an opposing team’s jersey last night.
As loyal as I’ve been to the 49ers through good times and bad, last night was probably the last game that I will attend at Candlestick Park. The police presence isn’t nearly enough to make me feel protected. Their “fan experience attendants” do very little to improve the fan experience. And last but not least, the fans that show up at the games make me ashamed to call myself a “49er faithful.”















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I had the same experience. http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2012/10/23/one-fan-finds-49ers-crowd-more-than-intimidating/
Ruthless Sports Guy. My last two cents on this subject. Colin Cowherd spoke to this same subject on his radio program last week. His theory, and he has received plenty of hate-mail for it, is that NFL games are now attended by two groups of people, "men with careers and guys with jobs" and sadly I think he is right. Anyway thanks for bringing up this topic. It is a issue that no one is willing to admit or much less discuss.
I agree with most of this. I'm a Niners season ticket holder and I wouldn't say I feel unsafe, necessarily, but the fan experience has declined rapidly over the last two and a half seasons. More and more fans are there to hang out and get drunk and talk amongst themselves. The people around my seats used to all be into the game, yelling on defense, quiet on offense, only going in and out of their seats during timeouts or between plays. Now though, now, the people around me are all talking throughout the game, spilling beer all over themselves and everyone around them. They scream while the team is on offense, and when I tell them to be quiet I get yelled at. On 3rd downs when SF is on defense, the guy behind me is too lazy to stand and requests that I sit. It's terrible. I'm ashamed when I hear fans of other teams talk about the harassment they endure during games, and when Niners "fans" seem to care about everything at the game except for the actual game. It really is a joke.
I was in the west dirt lot behind the church for the Niners vs Giants game. I was watching a satellite feed next to the kid that got stabbed. Ok... he was wearing a Cowboys Barber jersey. I get it. That's annoying. The most ironic thing is that nowhere in the report of his stabbing does it highlight that he was talking shit to EVERYONE in his sights. I argued with the moron for 15 minutes about niners cowboys history and had to walk away from the conversation because he was getting to the next level of anger and drunk stupidity. Nobody ever deserves to get stabbed... but I can't imagine his attackers weren't entirely provoked. Either way... its no good for the Niners or the already tarnished reputation of "The Blackout Hole". I wish news reporters would get the whole story and not just biased witness accounts. This guy wasn't just stabbed for wearing the wrong jersey and defending his team.
There is no excuse for stabbing someone. It's just words and trash talk about a silly game. Do you think the players care if one "represents," no, they don't.
If y'all got sumin' against real folks blowin' trees and supportin' da team stay home and watch. Real G's be at da stick representin' don't start no stuff won't be no stuff, yadida?
I can't tell if this is some amazingly written dialogue or just really sad.
Sad. As authentic as Vanilla Ice born in the ghetto story.
One more time, FS. This time in English.
"Real folks" don't need to be stoned to watch their football team play. "Real folks" go to the game, watch the whole thing, stand up and get loud. "Real folks" bleed red and gold. I didn't see anyone "blowin tree and representin' their team" when Steve Young was quarterback - hell, I didn't see anyone "blowin' tree" when Shaun Hill was quarterback. I've been loyal to the 49ers and showing up at The Stick when you couldn't give away a ticket to their games. Now all of a sudden the 49ers are good and people want to use it as an excuse to "represent their team" and act like an idiot at the same time. You want to "blow tree and represent your team?" Then it's you who needs to stay home and watch the game on your couch. The Stick should be where real fans show up to cheer this team to a Super Bowl, not smoke weed, start fights and make a fool out of themselves.
Interesting story Ruthless Sports Guy. I have heard this same this story relayed by other fans who have attended 49er games. This is a complete shame that a few 49er fans cannot comport themselves like civilized adults. Instead Candlestick has been taken over by a savage element.
You''ll go again. That's your youngness talking.
Five people,more stupid then I could imagine. He WILL go see a 9er game again. Sort of hard to avoid when you write about football,or sports in general. Never?..ha, you don't know time.
There is a HUGE gang member segment of the 49er fan base as of late. It's a shame these idiots are taking over. As a Raider fan we are called thugs all the time, so I take a twisted satisfaction in seeing those call us names have to deal with that reality. But, I also get that there are some great 49er fans who deserve to be able to enjoy the game and not have to deal with violent man-children with a complex. Hopefully the good fans will win out.
I've been to only a few games since BY hung it up, and its in part for the reasons listed and partly because the stadium itself is a rotting shithole.
Like I said on BASG's earlier blog about the stabbing, the one plus of the tickets at the new stadium being so expensive is the thugs won't be able to afford them. And I don't think at all that is merely a coincidence. The neighborhood it is going to be in is much nicer as well which should help the pre and post game experience.
Good point Spartan Sports Guy. Ticket prices alone should weed out the animals. Let them go home and enjoy their corrupt and reckless behavior elsewhere.
I've felt safer at raiders games for quite a while now. 49ers games are not safe and won't be safe until they move to Santa Clara (which is a travesty in itself other than the fact that It will be safer). Violent events at candlestick have been getting notice for a while. Tell me the last time something at a raiders game made the news. HASNT HAPPENED. when I think of a gang member, I think of a guy wearing a niners jersey. Ghettoest crowd in football is at the stick
Then look at A's fans..through the decades,good natured. Cowbells,dingers,Bernie dancing...nothing a gang banger wants to do. Salute A's fans!
A's fans may lack in number as of late, but they are by far the most knowledgeable in the Bay Area.
I can completely understand where you're coming from here. It really is a shame to see what's happened there, though I'd never go as far to say that I felt unsafe as a female even. My father also had seats throughout the 70s (before I was born) in UB 39 before we finally gave them up in 2011. I remember going to a particularly foul rainy day game in 2010, pre-Harbaugh where I encountered much of what you saw, including a guy about my age, screaming obscenities in the beer line, smoking and nearly coming to blows with some other peach in line with him. The aging 'stick was flooding: huge puddles everywhere, no room to walk along the ramp, and I thought: why am I paying thousands to sit up here with the likes of this, particularly when the product on the field matched the poor experience. In those days which seem like an eternity ago, I couldn't give my seats away for FREE if I had to miss a game, let alone sell them. The new stadium, which I'm thrilled about, will hopefully price out the likes that you and I experienced and you know what? Sitting around the wine and cheese doesn't sound so bad. I don't think this makes us "lesser fans" for saying so.
I'm sorry it was such a negative experience. I grew up in Cleveland and my dad took us to Indians games as a kid all the time. Maybe I'm just being sentimental but I cringe now at AT&T, which is safer and less rowdy than the stick. Even in $200 seats, there's at least one drunk person nearby who screams insults nonstop, mostly starting with "F". I look around and see children and elderly folks and think, why should we have to pay so much for these seats.... just to listen to this? Don't these drunk people ever feel guilty about swearing in front of old timers, who look like their grandpas? If I felt physically unsafe, I think that would be a deal breaker for me.
Come on man no need to be scared I've taken my little girl to games before....so just man up
To jr Now take a liesurely stroll down 3rd St and Jamestown at mdnight some time. Enjoy.
I've taken my girl to many games before as well, and I don't think I need to "man up." But I wouldn't take a kid, and I certainly wouldn't take another team's fan if I wanted to "impress them with this 49ers fan base." Because the fans that show up here don't know the first thing about football or how to be a fan.