UPDATE: Well things started pretty poorly for the Giants dropping the first two games at home but at the very least the Giants managed to avoid the sweep last night.
I promised to updated things if things changed and well they have. With Johnny Cueto of the Reds suffering an injury the Reds have shuffled their rotation. The Giants also made a change, moving Tim Lincecum from starter to the bullpen.
I have updated the projections and updated the odds of each team winning the series. Things look better for the Giants who improved from a 15 percent chance of winning to 28 percent after last night’s victory but they still have long odds.
UPDATED ODDS AS OF 10/10
| Games | Reds | Giants |
|
3 |
0% |
0% |
|
4 |
49% |
0% |
|
5 |
23% |
28% |
| Total |
72% |
28% |
Original post with updates:
After missing out last year the welcome pangs of nervousness have returned … the San Francisco Giants are back in the playoffs.
In the National League Division series the Giants face the NL Central Champion Cincinnati Reds. The Reds are very good and this series shouldn’t be easy for either team.
Here is the statistical breakdown for each squad:
Offense
| AVG | OBP | SLG | wOBA | wRC+ | |
| Giants | 0.269 | 0.327 | 0.397 | 0.315 | 99 |
| Reds | 0.251 | 0.315 | 0.411 | 0.314 | 93 |
Pitching
| ERA- | FIP- | xFIP- | |
| Giants | 97 | 101 | 101 |
| Reds | 83 | 93 | 97 |
The Giants have the edge on offense, while the Reds have the edge in pitching. Neither edge is huge and at least based on the eyeball test it looks like they might balance themselves out.
Next let’s move on to the projection. In case you forgot or haven’t seen the explanation, here is a quick description of how the model works:
- I start by estimating the runs scored and allowed for each team given the starting pitcher, bullpen, defense and each team’s offense.
- The data used in the projection model is based on the current season’s statistics to date and if a player has less than a full season of data it is supplemented with the ZiPS projections
- The estimated run differential is then converted into a projected winning percentage using the pythagorean expectation.
- Then, it’s converted into an odds of winning the game using the log5 method developed by Bill James
Probables:
Saturday, October 6, 6:30 PM: Johnny Cueto vs. Matt Cain
Sunday, October 7, 6:30 PM: Bronson Arroyo vs. Madison Bumgarner
Tuesday, October 9, 2:30 PM: Homer Bailey vs. Ryan Vogelsong
Wednesday, October 10, 1:00 PM: Mike Leake vs. Barry Zito
Thursday, October 11, 10:00AM**: Mat Latos vs. Matt Cain
**If necessary
Odds (UPDATED 10/10):
| Reds | Giants | |
| Game 1 |
43% |
57% |
| Game 2 |
37% |
63% |
| Game 3 |
49% |
51% |
| Game 4 |
49% |
51% |
| Game 5 |
44% |
56% |
The Giants are favored in every game with Game 3 and Game 5 both looking like toss-ups. What drives the Giants’ advantage is their ability to score runs of all things; if someone told us this would be the case last year, we’d never believe it.
The Reds have the pitching advantage in every game expect for Game 2, where Bumgarner has an edge over Arroyo — the Reds’ worst pitcher of the four scheduled to start in the NLDS. In addition, the last thing the Giants want to see is the Reds’ bullpen so getting out to a quick start will be extremely important.
Here is how the different permutations turn out for the series, with the odds of each team winning in a certain number of games:
| Games | Reds | Giants |
|
3 |
8% |
19% |
|
4 |
14% |
24% |
|
5 |
17% |
19% |
| Total |
39% |
61% |
The Giants starting at home provides a substantial advantage. The chance of a sweep for the Reds is very small while the Giants have nearly a one-in-five chance at taking this series in three games.
If the Giants are able to take the first two games of the series they push their odds of winning to 90%, while a split at home means advancing to the NLCS becomes a 50/50 proposition.
As reassuring these numbers are, this is still a short series where random fluctuations can cause havoc. At the very least the Giants have the benefit of starting at home to try to build a commanding lead in the series.















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Love your analysis, but I would have liked to have seen here some of the same things you did on this A's-Tigers preview in May: http://www.bayareasportsguy.com/series-preview-as-vs-tigers/ There, you discussed chances of sweeps, and other permutations, that would have been interesting in the playoffs to see how that all works out since the series ends once one team wins three.
Those odds are reflected in the section talking about each teams winning in a certain number of games. Maybe I could have explained better.
Wish it wasn't the case but Giants don't have the starting pitching anymore too make a deep run. Cain and MadBomd do not a dominant staff make. Wish we still had Zachary Wheeler.
wow...the only reason the Giants are where they are today is because of 55 since he arrived, everything has changed for the better... and he has led the charge... and now the Giants are gonna S@#t on him... Vogee and Zito before Lincecum? only if you plan on losing good luck with dealing with the aftermath the demise of the Giants begins when they skip Timmy scrubs will be scrubs when the lead themselves
In 2010 the Braves and Padres had the Giants number..until it mattered. Pitching...don't forget. Team ownage seems to dissolve and go back to the pitcher.
"The Giants have the edge on offense, while the Reds have the edge in pitching." Who'd have thought that sort of statement would be possible last year? This does seem like a tougher match-up than with the Nats for some reason. Go Giants!
agreed. having those first two at home are huge. And lets not forget, that the Giants were an outstanding road team the post all star break. Their offense improved by bounds
The Reds present the WORST possible matchup for the Giants. I understand the stats don't lie, but as they say... games aren't played on paper. The Nats, although they had the NLs best record have the "We are just happy to be here for the first time since 1933" mindset... and they are a relatively inexperienced team when it comes to the playoffs- DeRosa, Werth, LaRoache, Tracy, Edwin Jackson and Tyler Clippard are the only guys with PO experience that I know of (without looking at any stats)- and I wonder how much the latter 3 would impact a series... But there core for the most part, has exactly as much MLB playoff experience as I do... ZERO. The Reds on the other hand are massers... and they throw gas. Cueto and Latos have feasted on Giants bats in recent years... Arroyo is so so, but from what I recall he beat SF this year... and he has loads of PO experience... The Reds are mad, they didn't make the playoffs last year and got destroyed by Philly in 2010... Also, Dusty Baker probably still hates SF, my only hope is that he manages the bullpen like he did in 2002... pitching guys until their arms are about to fall off... Lincecum in the Great American Lauching Pad worries me- So does Vogey- wasn't his start in Cincy this year the beginning of his bad streak? And Zito? I still wouldn't trust that guy as far as I could throw him- though he does have decent PO numbers... and yes, he was better than the past couple years... but the past couple years he was hardly a major leaguer... The bullpen aside from Romo, Lopez and Affeldt is largely up in the air... I think the Giants HAVE to win both in SF... as your numbers proved... If I were Bochy, I'd have gone Cain and Lincecum at home- then again I just emphasized how important it was to win both at home, and I guess Bochy figures that too... and Lincecum has been anything but a sure thing this season... which is probably why he's not scheduled for the first 2 games... but I figure the spacious confines on ATT park would be better than GALP... but that's why he's Bochy and I'm a blog commenter. Just so much talent on the Reds, then again... that's what was said about ATL and Philly in 2010... saw how that turned out... Who would have thought at the beginning of this year that the bullpen and starting pitchers were the areas of concern come PO time... The Giants offense is filled with streaky hitters... Pagan, Sandoval, Crawford, Belt, Pence -- Scutaro and Posey are the only 2 sure thing ABs in the lineup, meaning you know they aren't going to swing at "slop" Maybe Lincecum was just giving the entire NL the okie-doke all year and he comes out nails in Cincy game 3! If the Giants do lose-- I hope it's not a sweep, giving that world class DB, Latos the opportunity to close us out would kill me...
Does stats guy know if other teams that start at home for the DS get as significant of a boost (or similar) as the Giants are getting?
In general yes this will help all the lower seeds that start at home. The biggest reason is because the odds of lower seed sweeping are higher when they start at home while the opposite is true in the normal 2-2-1 format. This same thing will probably hurt the A's.
What about today's one game playoffs? Any inklings?
Its scary.
You need to seek some real counseling Cameron if you go negative on my thanks and all the rest. THAT, IS, obsessive.
Thanks!
For what it is worth I have: 68% to 32% in favor of Atlanta. and 58% to 42% in favor of the Rangers I would caution that these games probably don't fit the model as well as the regular season or even a long playoff series because the starting pitching could cede to the bullpen and just about any and every pitcher is available in a last game of the season type game.
Because you're such a loyal commenter I'll put both in the model and see what it spits out.
But..just to let people know,Vegas picks the Reds by a light margin. I think Dusty Baker has led a charmed life as manager,he hates the Giants. A neato series coming up.