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Source: Vernon Davis and Joe Staley involved in two locker room quarrels

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It’s getting ugly for the 49ers, who have faced several different stories hinting at the damaged locker room chemistry over the last few days. It began on Sunday with Jay Glazer’s portrayal of Colin Kaepernick as being “on an island,” and with our report of locker room tension stemming from the quarterback’s involvement with Aldon Smith’s former live-in girlfriend.

This morning, SoCaliSteph of Niners Nation released an eye-opening piece on the state of the 49ers’ locker room. It provided more details on the divide growing among the players, including some insight into a situation in which two players got into a verbal altercation over Kaepernick:

During the past few weeks, there have been rumblings of a locker room feud at a team meeting. Maiocco referenced it happening four weeks ago. A source told Niners Nation that a player stood up against Colin Kaepernick, and, as a result, another stood up in defense of Kaepernick. Glazer’s report of players being unhappy and unwilling to connect with Kaepernick appear true, but there are others including team captains and veterans standing up for the 49ers quarterback. Needless to say, Kaepernick is not necessarily on an “island by himself,” but I suspect from the vantage point of the players Glazer spoke with, they are unhappy with the performance and what appears to them as Kaepernick’s apathy. We also have sources who stated apologies were exchanged and the team was ready to move on. Well, until the 49ers lost again.

A source told me that the two players involved in the altercation were Vernon Davis and Joe Staley. The time frame here appears to be conflicting, but the source confirmed the reason for this altercation and said that it was actually the second time the two exchanged verbal blows.

The first instance occurred on the Tuesday following the Week 4 loss to the Packers. The conflict apparently stemmed from Staley’s doubts regarding the severity of Davis’ knee injury, which he sustained in the Week 3 loss to the Cardinals. According to the source, on the day after the Packers loss, Davis was told by a trainer that there was nothing wrong with his knee. Staley called Davis out on this the next day and they exchanged words over it. Davis didn’t play in either of the 49ers’ Week 4 and 5 losses to the Packers and Giants.

The next altercation occurred in the locker room following last Thursday’s loss to the Seahawks. While the details of this skirmish are unclear, a source told me that this was where the players were arguing over Kaepernick. The source couldn’t clarify what was said, but told me that it was Davis who spoke out against Kaepernick, and it was Staley who defended his quarterback.

Davis is coming off of his worst season as a pro and appears to be on track to match last year’s lows. Adam Schefter reported earlier in October that the 49ers were open to trading Davis, although it’s hard to imagine his value is high, even if you discount these latest controversies and focus solely on his performance.

On the other side of the Italian dinner table is Staley, who — despite all of the offensive line struggles — remains a bright spot in Kaepernick’s protection. If Davis and Staley have to be separated permanently, there’s little doubt which one the 49ers will chose to ship away.

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Jerryb2339
Jerryb2339

6ringmotive Otis Byrd III FitzyDitzy Linda McKinsey I was a big Harbaugh fan, but I never understood why he chose Kaepernick (although they did need a QB and he was probably the best one left on the draft board).  Harbaugh most certainly must have seen his atrocious "baseball" wind-up (ala Tebow), but maybe he didn't realize how low his football IQ is.  But he used Chryst as his QB coach and it was obvious K wasn't improving - maybe Harbaugh thought that K's running would fit well with his wanting a running team.  In any event, K is just incapable of seeing receivers and, as Steve Young says, you cannot teach accuracy.  Add to that K's fear of throwing to a spot means he holds the ball 4-5 s econds.....no O Line is designed to hold that long.

6ringmotive
6ringmotive

nimnutsf BASportsGuy Kyle_McLorgBASG and Kap takes 10 minutes to wind up and release the ball. bad combination

6ringmotive
6ringmotive

@bayarealuv1 i think the real owner Denise DeBatolo should get rid of Jed. her husband failed and now her son. please Eddie come back

6ringmotive
6ringmotive

ibilys remember it well. and it was helmut to helmut. no flag. and no cowardly announcer to complain either. however, vernon was a sitting duck. he was hung up on the side line not going anywhere. also, vernon never learned how to lower his shoulder and plow forward. he could have been much better. but yea, never the same after that cheap, very dirty hit

6ringmotive
6ringmotive

MikeMark1 Jerryb2339 chickenfried234 TimNorton maybe 10 more throws to craby in the corner and one gets completed. kap cant find the open receiver. cant anticipate either. by the time he does throw the ball 3 defenders show up. half of his sacs are his own fault. his release time is 10 minutes too long

6ringmotive
6ringmotive

Otis Byrd III FitzyDitzy Linda McKinsey smith was not our future, however he got screwed. alex had the HOT hand when he got hurt. and our D was the real reason the 49ers were any good

6ringmotive
6ringmotive

remember there was not a good reason for getting rid of Lee. again, another baalke screw up

6ringmotive
6ringmotive

remember there was not a good reason for getting rid of Lee. again, another baalke screw up

MarRamirez
MarRamirez

Krash_Override BASportsGuy Kyle_McLorgBASG *saw

Jerryb2339
Jerryb2339

JBap80 Linda McKinsey .  I don't disagree.  If Smith were the QB there would be more wins, but Alex is just what people call him: a game manager.  That may have been enough for Dilfer to get to a SB, but he had a really good team around him.  Alex could not take this 49er team to a SB - playoffs, maybe.  But he is definitely a better QB than Kaepernick - it's not even close.

JBap80
JBap80

Linda McKinsey  Just imagine how sorry you will be if we had Alex Smith in current 49ers team... ask Chiefs fans how they like their 3rd down conversation rate with Alex. You are ABSOLUTELY fooling yourself to think things will be better with Alex around, and that is a FACT.

Otis Byrd III
Otis Byrd III

I just heard on 95.7 that apparently Vernon Davis and Joe Staley denied there was a fight between the two of them..... I'm sorry, but this is obvious damage control. There's problems in the 49ers locker room, whether they want to admit it or not. How could any of these rumors/reports be false?

Otis Byrd III
Otis Byrd III

I just heard on 95.7 that apparently Vernon Davis and Joe Staley denied there was a fight between the two of them..... I'm sorry, but this is obvious damage control. There's problems in the 49ers locker room, whether they want to admit it or not. How could any of these rumors/reports be false?

Jerryb2339
Jerryb2339

MikeMark1 Jerryb2339 chickenfried234 TimNorton I know, I know.  And Green Bay did a terrible job of containing his running.  As for the SB, his inability to score in the red zone was his fault.  Look, he is notoriously inaccurate as a passer - and, as Steve Young and others point out, you cannot teach accuracy.  So even at his best he was merely a bigger, stronger, faster Michael Vick.  And now he is much worse - his football IQ is too low for him to ever read defenses well, do progressions, or have the guts to throw to a spot - so O Line or no O Line he will never be a good (forget "top") QB.  He  throws like Tebow and then says "mechanics don't count."  How do you deal with someone who thinks "working harder" means doing more weight lifting.  He should have gone into baseball - 'cuz he throws a football like a baseball.

MikeMark1
MikeMark1

Jerryb2339 chickenfried234 TimNorton Greenbay game in the playoffs a few years ago when he kept running like a gazelle and throwing the ball extremely well.  And then they barely lost to the Ravens in the SB

Jerryb2339
Jerryb2339

chickenfried234 Jerryb2339 TimNorton .  Oh please.  Name a game in the playoffs that the 49ers won only because of Kaepernick's outstanding performance.  Now his first year he was something no one had seen before - a big, athletic runner.  And then the other teams merely adjusted.  It's kind of like Frank Gore his last few years with the 49ers:  if you look only at his stats he had a lot of yards - but if you watched the games he actually had 1 or maybe 2 really big runs and the rest of the 25-30 carries were 1 and 2 yards.  Stats are what you make of them.

chickenfried234
chickenfried234

Jerryb2339 TimNorton tebow really?!  compare their winning playoff performances...

chickenfried234
chickenfried234

it is the sports journalism of today, BASG didn't invent it...

chickenfried234
chickenfried234

Linda McKinsey Alex Smith?  Shoulda woulda couldas should at least be good day dreams.  As he's shown Alex Smith isn't a great qb.  Smith instead of Kaep isn't changing a thing for this team

Mood_Indigo
Mood_Indigo

Davis cannot outrun Cliff Avril -- he has not business questioning Kap. 

This site is humming like TMZ -- all gossip and conspiracy theories. Thank god there is no compelling Niners football to get in the way! I will continue to come often for the latest juicy leaks, innuendos and whispered accusations.

Mood_Indigo
Mood_Indigo

Davis cannot outrun Cliff Avril -- he has not business questioning Kap.  This site is humming like TMZ -- all gossip and conspiracy theories. Thank god there is no compelling Niners football to get in the way! I will continue to come often for the latest juicy leaks, innuendos and whispered accusations.

Otis Byrd III
Otis Byrd III

Linda McKinsey Just curious, why?..... Yes, he was a good guy and good person through everything he went through when he was here with the Niners when he could've easily been a problem or been disgruntled, but he did exhibit class through everything.  The thing is, Alex Smith was good for only a season to a season and a half. Yes, having a new offensive coordinator almost every season he was here, and him battling injuries, contributed to that, but Alex Smith is average at best, as we are seeing with him now with the Chiefs. The guy didn't throw a TD to a WR for like what a season and a half, and that streak ended earlier this season.

TSL
TSL

And the soap opera continues. This story gets interesting by the minute.

But then again I am not surprised by all this locker room rancor considering the teams performance here 2015.


TSL
TSL

And the soap opera continues. This story gets interesting by the minute. But then again I am not surprised by all this locker room rancor considering the teams performance here 2015.

Linda McKinsey
Linda McKinsey

Yes it will be and it will be even more disheartening ik Kaepernick stays.

jazynaz
jazynaz

@Lime you can't be serious!  kaepernick can't even see, much less be at or near the level of curry!  curry is the leader, the example of how to represent yourself as a pro, on his team, and kaepernick is uncharismatic at best, and tearing apart his team.  ok, your humor is so dry i didn't get it for a minute there...you are being sarcastic, right?

Otis Byrd III
Otis Byrd III

Jerryb2339 Linda McKinsey Yeah, Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers will be forever linked because of that. Now, Aaron Rodgers has a chance to win the Super Bowl at Levi's should the Packers get there. That really would be disheartening if that happens.

Jerryb2339
Jerryb2339

leftfieldlaws BASportsGuy Kyle_McLorgBASG . well yeah...but only after he watches the tape

Jerryb2339
Jerryb2339

Rycee707 yeah that petition and a dollar will get you on a bus.  The Yorks will never sell this cash cow.

Otis Byrd III
Otis Byrd III

FitzyDitzy Linda McKinsey I agree. Alex Smith only had one real good year with the Niners and that of course was 2011. Yeah, it was kind of messed up how he lost his job to Kap in 2012, but everyone else would've done the same thing at time with the way Kap was playing and helping the Niners win games. The Niners played the hot hand. Now that Kap is struggling, all the Alex Smith fans are coming out of the woodwork. No offense, but Alex Smith probably wouldn't do any better on this current Niners team.

Jerryb2339
Jerryb2339

TimNorton really?  To whom?  Tebow is already out there available and is cheaper - same throwing motion and Tebow reads defenses better.

Jerryb2339
Jerryb2339

Linda McKinsey You must never talk about Alex Smith again - every time I hear his name I remember that they chose Smith over Aaron Rodgers - and I get depressed for the rest of the day.  *sigh*

Jerryb2339
Jerryb2339

I think a really good solution would be to trade VD for a back-up punter (OR a 5th round draft pick that they can use on a back-up punter....or a punter-for-the-future).

Jerryb2339
Jerryb2339

I think a really good solution would be to trade VD for a back-up punter (OR a 5th round draft pick that they can use on a back-up punter....or a punter-for-the-future).

FitzyDitzy
FitzyDitzy

Linda McKinsey Alex Smith is not good.  I hear where you're coming from with Kap, but the longing for Alex Smith has got to go.  He is terrible.

Lime
Lime

Kaep has learned a lot about class, leadership and winning from Steph Curry

jazynaz
jazynaz

@Lime you can't be serious!  kaepernick can't even see, much less be at or near the level of curry!  curry is the leader, the example of how to represent yourself as a pro, on his team, and kaepernick is uncharismatic at best, and tearing apart his team.  ok, your humor is so dry i didn't get it for a minute there...you are being sarcastic, right?

Linda McKinsey
Linda McKinsey

I can't believe they got rid of Alex Smith. I've been a Niners fan since their very first televised game when I was just a kid. I have never thought about becoming a fan of any other team until they brought. Kap into the team. Can't stand him.

FitzyDitzy
FitzyDitzy

@Linda McKinsey Alex Smith is not good.  I hear where you're coming from with Kap, but the longing for Alex Smith has got to go.  He is terrible. 

Otis Byrd III
Otis Byrd III

@FitzyDitzy @Linda McKinsey I agree. Alex Smith only had one real good year with the Niners and that of course was 2011. Yeah, it was kind of messed up how he lost his job to Kap in 2012, but everyone else would've done the same thing at time with the way Kap was playing and helping the Niners win games. The Niners played the hot hand.

Now that Kap is struggling, all the Alex Smith fans are coming out of the woodwork. No offense, but Alex Smith probably wouldn't do any better on this current Niners team.

Otis Byrd III
Otis Byrd III

@Jerryb2339 @Linda McKinsey Yeah, Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers will be forever linked because of that. Now, Aaron Rodgers has a chance to win the Super Bowl at Levi's should the Packers get there. That really would be disheartening if that happens.

Linda McKinsey
Linda McKinsey

Yes it will be and it will be even more disheartening ik Kaepernick stays.

Jerryb2339
Jerryb2339

@Linda McKinsey You must never talk about Alex Smith again - every time I hear his name I remember that they chose Smith over Aaron Rodgers - and I get depressed for the rest of the day.  *sigh*

Otis Byrd III
Otis Byrd III

@Linda McKinsey Just curious, why?..... Yes, he was a good guy and good person through everything he went through when he was here with the Niners when he could've easily been a problem or been disgruntled, but he did exhibit class through everything. 

The thing is, Alex Smith was good here with the Niners for only a season to a season and a half. Yes, having a new offensive coordinator almost every season he was here, and him battling injuries, contributed to that, but Alex Smith is an average QB at best, as we are seeing with him now with the Chiefs. The guy didn't throw a TD pass to a WR for like how many games, and that streak ended earlier this season.

chickenfried234
chickenfried234

@Linda McKinsey Alex Smith?  Shoulda woulda couldas should at least be good day dreams.  As he's shown Alex Smith isn't a great qb.  Smith instead of Kaep isn't changing a thing for this team

JBap80
JBap80

@Linda McKinsey  Just imagine how sorry you will be if we had Alex Smith in current 49ers team... ask Chiefs fans how they like their 3rd down conversation rate with Alex. You are ABSOLUTELY fooling yourself to think things will be better with Alex around, and that is a FACT. 

Jerryb2339
Jerryb2339

@JBap80 @Linda McKinsey .  I don't disagree.  If Smith were the QB there would be more wins, but Alex is just what people call him: a game manager.  That may have been enough for Dilfer to get to a SB, but he had a really good team around him.  Alex could not take this 49er team to a SB - playoffs, maybe.  But he is definitely a better QB than Kaepernick - it's not even close.

Jerryb2339
Jerryb2339

@6ringmotive @Otis Byrd III @FitzyDitzy @Linda McKinsey I was a big Harbaugh fan, but I never understood why he chose Kaepernick (although they did need a QB and he was probably the best one left on the draft board).  Harbaugh most certainly must have seen his atrocious "baseball" wind-up (ala Tebow), but maybe he didn't realize how low his football IQ is.  But he used Chryst as his QB coach and it was obvious K wasn't improving - maybe Harbaugh thought that K's running would fit well with his wanting a running team.  In any event, K is just incapable of seeing receivers and, as Steve Young says, you cannot teach accuracy.  Add to that K's fear of throwing to a spot means he holds the ball 4-5 s econds.....no O Line is designed to hold that long.

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